More About Smith History

I (Donnette Smith) recently saw this notice on the Oxford list. "There was no automatic right to a [military] pension just for service, disabilities allowed you to claim one."

I suddenly remembered that your ancestor, Thomas Carr, had a pension and lost it for moving into France, and then had quite a time getting it again. I looked in the records and found I didn't put the reason he got a pension into his biography.

Norma Bean Tanner wrote 7 Nov 1963: "My father said that his Grandfather Carr was injured in an accident on a boat while in the English navy. He lost a finger when lowering an anchor. He was drawing a Hospital pension from Greenwich Hospital. When he moved to the Islands [and then to France] he lost his pension and was a long time getting it back. While he was waiting for his pension he went to work as a merchant seaman."

Interesting.

Howard Shearring in England is still keeping me interested in William Bean and his sister, Sarah Bean Shearring. I sent him my notes of early LDS British Branch membership records which show their address and ages at baptism. As their mother died in 1850, a year after they were baptized, Sarah went to live with "an aunt". And later she married Howard Shearring in 1861 in Bermondsey. Howard had been trying to figure out when and how the two met. He had thought she had lived in Poplar in the Isle of Dogs which is a loop of the Thames River until her marriage. The LDS church records show how they moved around in the next year after the mother died. I had checked an index to those records years ago but now have ordered a film of the original records to see if I can pinpoint where Sarah was. 

We never have figured out who raised her. But there are a couple of records I have which say: Minnie Margett's File: a card index of the early British LDS church membership records: 

1.Sarah Bean - bap 13 Aug 1849 by Z. Derrich, Poplar, London Conf., British Mission, Age 9, res. Poplar Book 458 pg 687 line 126

2.Sarah Bean - Branch Walworth, London Conf., British Mission [no date on this]

Single - resident Smith Buildings Book 425 pg 283 line 81

3.Sarah Bean [the daughter]- Branch, Isle of Dogs, London Conference, British Mission Rec. From Poplar Feb 21, 1850 Bk 458 line 365 line 9

4.Sarah Bean - Limehouse, London Conf., British Mission Single Received from Poplar Feb 21, 1850 Removed to Bermondsey Nov 8, 1852 Bk 425 pg 161 line 4

I had no clue where Walworth was or anything about the Smith Buildings. I saw Sarah's records were sent to Bermondsey in 1852. I don't know whom she lived with. I would love to go through the 1851 census to see if I can see her. But that isn't indexed or online.

Howard said: "Walworth is south of the Thames, about a mile south-west of Bermondsey and Shearing Territory. Check the biography [of the Mayor, Sarah's son] and you will see that her son, Patrick Henry was born at Smith's Buildings, Bermondsey in1861 so she could have been very close to Henry Shearing about a decade earlier than thought. There could be more than one Smith Buildings but it is too much of a coincidence to ignore."

The next day he wrote: "In 1861 there were 4 such buildings of which we can safely ignore one. This leaves the Bermondsey one; another at St Olave Southwark which I think we can ignore and then 1 at Camberwell. Now I would not accept Camberwell is Walworth BUT it is right next door to it so remains a possibility. I think you will find these places on the photocopied map I sent you with the biog....they are all very close to one another (by US standards they are on top of each other)"

Howard

I also asked Howard how you pronounce "Bermondsey". He said all three syllables have equal stress and sometimes the D is left unspoken. 

So. Howard is still interested in keeping in touch with me in spite of the LDS connections. He sent me a copy of his great-grandfather's biography which he wrote, William Shearring son of Sarah Bean Shearring, but is revising it and he says he will send me a new copy about Christmas time. He has given me permission to give the family copies. In the meantime I'm trying to help him get details corrected and he is really helping me know more about that family.

If you have forgotten about this story - here it is again. If you want to see the picture of the Mayor and his family look at the CD of the Beans I gave you. There are two pictures of Sarah Bean Shearring with the early British pictures. Also the one of the Mayor is under the group: Are these Beans? as the family group picture. Those of you who haven't received the Bean CD yet, let me know and I'll try to get you a copy at Christmas when I can put Howard's biography of

the Mayor on it, too.

Cynthia is a little confused about the correspondence I have been having with Howard Shearring. I will try to explain it a little better for everyone.

Richard’s great grandfather (and Raymond James Smith’s), William Bean was born in 1834 in the outskirts of London. His father died in 1846 after suffering TB for at least 3 years. In 1848 William’s mother joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then the next year William and his sister Sarah (age 9) were baptized. The next year, 1850, the mother died, also of TB, leaving William and Sarah and their little 5-year old brother as orphans. William took little Alfred on his back, across London to live with his grandfather. Little Alfred died of TB three years later. His grandfather was so against William being active in the LDS Church he made him leave the home. So, at age 16, William had to go out and work and rent a room. He later married an LDS woman, Elizabeth Carr. They had to stay in England to care for her father, Thomas Carr, as Thomas had to stay in England to keep receiving his pension from the British Government for having been in the navy. The Bean family finally sailed to America and came to Utah in 1877 after Thomas Carr died.

When she was orphaned, the sister, Sarah Bean, went to live with an aunt, we are told, and didn’t have any more contact with the LDS Church. She married Henry Shearring in 1861. Sarah kept in touch with her brother, William Bean, and wrote to him and his children until her death in 1924. William Bean’s son, George Bean, had about five letters that came from Sarah Bean Shearring during World War I. I have a transcription of them and sent a copy to Howard who was excited to receive them. He said that Sarah must have dictated the letters, as she was illiterate.

In those letters Sarah told William’s family about her children and grandchildren, many of whom were fighting in the war. Her eldest child was William Shearring who became the Mayor of Bermondsey. This last winter Stuart helped me find Sarah and some of her children and grandchildren in the British 1891 and 1901

census.

When we were looking at the census, I got wondering about William Shearring being mayor, and posted a query on a genealogical list. I received word from an archivist there, that William Shearring had been Mayor in 1917-18. Now, several months later, Howard Shearring of Kent, England, found my query on Google and wrote to me. He is writing a biography of his great grandfather, the Mayor, William Shearring, and is going to send me a copy. Howard told me that most of his family pictures were lost during WWII. When I sent him a copy of a picture of his great-great grandmother, Sarah Bean Shearring taken about 1900, he was overjoyed. And when I sent a copy of a picture of a family I was only guessing at, (because the picture was with the Bean pictures and there were the parents, one son and six daughters taken about 1905) he was stunned as he recognized the father of the group as the Mayor, William Shearring. Just looking at it at work where his computer is, he was guessing that the young man and woman in the back were his grandfather (he hadn’t had a picture of him taken before 1950) and the grandfather’s wife, Matilda. But after Iaking the picture home and looking at his records and thinking about the ages of the children, he decided that as his grandfather wasn’t married until 1908, it had to be just the Mayor and his wife and seven children. (As William wasn’t the mayor yet in 1904, Howard called him “The Future Mayor”.)

I hope that clarifies the story. It is pretty interesting!!! It is super exciting to me that Howard recognized that picture which we inherited from Grandpa Herbert W. Smith. I am praying I can say the right things to Howard so he won’t be shocked about having Mormons in the family. I hope this can soften his heart toward the church. I also hope Howard can fill in for me more of the names, dates and places of descendants of Sarah Bean Shearring.

Donnette Smith

Sarah Bean Shearring

Donnette Smith wrote: 8/04/05

Howard Shearring in England is still keeping me interested in William Bean and his sister, Sarah Bean Shearring. I sent him my notes of early LDS British Branch membership records which show their address and ages at baptism. As their mother died in 1850, a year after they were baptized, Sarah went to live with "an aunt". And later she married Howard Shearring in 1861 in Bermondsey.

Howard had been trying to figure out when and how the two met. He had thought she had lived in Poplar in the Isle of Dogs which is a loop of the Thames River until her marriage. The
LDS church records show how they moved around in the next year after the mother died. I had checked an index to those records years ago but now have ordered a film of the original records to see if I can pinpoint where Sarah was. We never have figured out who raised her. But there are a couple of records I have which say:

Minnie Margett's File: a card index of the early British LDS church
membership records:
1. Sarah Bean - bap 13 Aug 1849 by Z. Derrich, Poplar, London Conf.,
British Mission
age 9 res. Poplar
Book 458 pg 687 line 126

2.Sarah Bean - Branch Walworth, London Conf., British Mission [no date on
this]
single - resident Smith Buildings
Book 425 pg 283 line 81

3.. Sarah Bean [the daughter]- Branch, Isle of Dogs, London Conference,
British Mission
rec. From Poplar Feb 21, 1850
Bk 458 line 365 line 9

4. Sarah Bean - Limehouse, London Conf., British Mission
Single
Received from Poplar Feb 21, 1850
Removed to Bermondsey Nov 8, 1852
Bk 425 pg 161 line 4


I had no clue where Walworth was or anything about the Smith Buildings. I saw Sarah's records were sent to Bermondsey in 1852. I don't know whom she lived with. I would love to go through the 1851 census to see if I can see her. But that isn't indexed or online.

Howard said:
"Walworth is south of the Thames, about a mile south-west of Bermondsey and  Shearing Territory. Check the biography [of the Mayor, Sarah's son] and you will  see that her son, Patrick Henry was born at Smith's Buildings, Bermondsey in 1861 so she could have been very close to Henry Shearing about a decade
earlier than thought. There could be more than one Smith Buildings but it is  too much of a co-incidence to ignore."

The next day he wrote:
"In 1861 there were 4 such buildings of which we can safely ignore one. This leaves the Bermondsey one; another at St Olave Southwark which I think  we can ignore and then 1 at Camberwell. Now I would not accept Camberwell is  Walworth BUT it is right next door to it so remains a possibility. I think you will find these places on the photocopied map I sent you with the
biog....they are all very close to one another (by US standards they are on  top of each other)"
Howard
I also asked Howard how you pronounce "Bermondsey". He said all three syllables have equal stress and sometimes the D is left unspoken.

So. Howard is still interested in keeping in touch with me in spitemof the LDS connections. He sent me a copy of his great-grandfather's biography which he wrote, William Shearring son of Sarah Bean Shearring, but is revising it and he says he will send me a new copy about Christmas time. He has given me permission to give the family copies. In the meantime I'm trying to help him get details corrected and he is really helping me know more about that family.


Donnette

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If you have forgotten about this story - here it is again.

If you want to see the picture of the Mayor and his family look at the CD of the Beans I gave you. There are two pictures of Sarah Bean Shearring with the early British pictures. Also the one of the Mayor is under the group: Are these Beans? as the family group picture. Those of you who haven't received the Bean CD yet, let me know and I'll try to get you a copy at Christmas when I can put Howard's biography of the Mayor on it, too.

*****
Cynthia is a little confused about the correspondence I have been having with Howard Shearring. I will try to explain it a little better for everyone.

Richard’s great grandfather, William Bean was born in 1834 in the outskirts of London. His father died in 1846 after suffering TB for at least 3 years. In 1848 William’s mother joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then the next year William and his sister Sarah (age 9) were baptized. The next year, 1850, the mother died, also of TB, leaving William and Sarah and their little 5 year old brother as orphans.

William took little Alfred on his back, across London to live with his grandfather. Little Alfred died of TB three years later. His grandfather was so against William being active in the LDS Church he made him leave the home. So, at age 16, William had to go out and work and rent a room. He later married an LDS woman, Elizabeth Carr. They had to stay in England to care for her father, Thomas Carr, as Thomas had to stay in England to keep receiving his pension from the British Government for having been in the navy. The Bean family finally sailed to America and came to Utah in 1877 after Thomas Carr died.

When she was orphaned, the sister, Sarah Bean, went to live with an aunt, we are told, and didn’t have any more contact with the LDS Church. She married Henry Shearring in 1861. Sarah kept in touch with her brother, William Bean, and wrote to him and his children until her death in 1924. William Bean’s son, George Bean, had about five letters that came from Sarah Bean Shearring during World War I. I have a transcription of them
and sent a copy to Howard who was excited to receive them. He said that Sarah must have dictated the letters as she was illiterate.

In those letters Sarah told William’s family about her children and
grandchildren, many of whom were fighting in the war.. Her eldest child was William Shearring who became the Mayor of Bermondsey. This last winter Stuart helped me find Sarah and some of her children and grandchildren in the British 1891 and 1901 census.

When we were looking at the census, I got wondering about William Shearring being mayor, and posted a query on a genealogical list. I received word from an archivist there, that William Shearring had been Mayor in 1917-18. Now, several months later, Howard Shearring of Kent, England, found my query on Google and wrote to me. He is writing a biography of his great grandfather, the Mayor, William Shearring, and is going to send me a copy.

Howard told me that most of his family pictures were lost during WWII. When I sent him a copy of a picture of his great-great grandmother, Sarah Bean Shearring taken about 1900, he was overjoyed. And when I sent a copy of a picture of a family I was only guessing at, (because the picture was with the Bean pictures and there were the parents, one son and six daughter taken about 1905) he was stunned as he recognized the father of the group as the Mayor, William Shearring. Just looking at it at work where his computer is, he was guessing that the young man and woman in the back were his grandfather (he hadn’t had a picture of him taken before 1950) and the grandfather’s wife, Matilda. But after taking the picture home and looking at his records and thinking about the ages of the children, he decided that as his grandfather wasn’t married until 1908, it had to be just the Mayor and his wife and seven children. (As William wasn’t the mayor yet in 1904, Howard called him “The Future Mayor”.)

I hope that clarifies the story. It is pretty interesting!!! It is super exciting to me that Howard recognized that picture which we inherited from Grandpa Herbert W. Smith.

I am praying I can say the right things to Howard so he won’t be shocked about having Mormons in the family. I hope this can soften his heart toward the church. I also hope Howard can fill in for me more of the names, dates and places of descendants of Sarah Bean Shearring.

Donnette

Photos from Siovhan on Waite/Bolton Trip

pictures from the bolton/waite trip to Palmyra and Niagara

Thanks and with love

We really enjoyed Braden. We will all miss him, his "teenhimers" and fun personality. I think he is finally learning that half (or more) of what Dad says he cannot believe. We have really enjoyed having a teen around the place again. It has been fun.

I am not writing this because I want money. I will be insulted if you send money. Gramps and I did what we wanted to do because we wanted to do it. You are always good to us when we come to see you and we wanted to be good to Braden when he came to see us. What I need is a solution. 

They have raised the price of the fishing licenses for out-of-state fishers. We paid $32 for Braden for a one-week license (the fewest days possible because they no longer have a five-day license). That is OK. But when both boys come with you, you might be aware that it costs so much. I don't know, if in the future, we should just go someplace camping, which seemed to be what Braden enjoyed more than fishing, or if you think that is an OK price. He really wanted to skip the fishing trip and stay longer with the Westerns but Dad had already paid for the license and Braden had just been overnight with Dad when they took the trailer up so I made him come back and go. I said, "Who did you come to see, Westerns or Grammy?" He said, "Them. I won't see them for a whole year." Of course, he said it with a smile. But I made him go fishing because I wanted my money's worth out of the license. (Bad Grammy!) Jim and Julie had also set aside time to go just so they could be with Braden. I hope he had fun. I sort of kept him on his feet. We went for walks and fished and, I hope, had fun. Jim had fun. Mary had fun. I hope Braden had fun. 

Anyway, back to the topic, do you think the boys, Braden and Benjamin, like fishing as much as just being in the mountains? Todd and his family seemed to enjoy being in the mountains. We went up to Ponderosa. (They and the Gordons did go to Yellowstone after that.) But your boys are older and they may really like the fishing part. (Also, Todd only has one boy over 12.)

Also we may need a different place to go, other than Ferron. They have made some changes to the dam, because it leaked. Well, it still leaks so the solution is to let more water out and not hold as much in the reservoir. There is no way to launch a big boat like the one Grandpa gave to us. Only little canoes and smaller boats that can be carried into the water work there now. We sold the little boat. (The island is not much of an island anymore. You can walk to it.) Put your thinking cap on and let me know. 

Read with love

We really enjoyed Braden. We will all miss him, his "teenhimers" and fun personality. I think he is finally learning that half (or more) of what Dad says he cannot believe. We have really enjoyed having a teen around the place again. It has been fun.

I am not writing this because I want money. I will be insulted if you send money. Gramps and I did what we wanted to do because we wanted to do it.  You are always good to us when we come to see you and we wanted to be good to Braden when he came to see us. What I need is a solution.

They have raised the price of the fishing licenses for out-of-state fishers. We paid $32 for Braden for a one-week license (the fewest days possible because they no longer have a five-day license). That is OK. But when both boys come with you, you might be aware that it costs so much. I don't know, if in the future, we should just go someplace camping, which seemed to be what Braden enjoyed more than fishing, or if you think that is an OK price. He really wanted to skip the fishing trip and stay longer with the Westerns but Dad had already paid for the license and Braden had just been overnight with Dad when they took the trailer up so I made him come back and go. I said, "Who did you come to see, Westerns or Grammy?"  He said, "Them. I won't see them for a whole year." Of course, he said it with a smile. But I made him go fishing because I wanted my money's worth out of the license. (Bad Grammy!) Jim and Julie had also set aside time to go just so they could be with Braden. I hope he had fun. I sort of kept him on his feet. We went for walks and fished and, I hope, had fun. Jim had fun. Mary had fun. I hope Braden had fun.

Anyway, back to the topic, do you think the boys, Braden and Benjamin, like fishing as much as just being in the mountains? Todd and his family seemed to enjoy being in the mountains. We went up to Ponderosa. (They and the Gordons did go to Yellowstone after that.) But your boys are older and they may really like the fishing part. (Also, Todd only has one boy over 12.)

Also we may need a different place to go, other than Ferron. They have made some changes to the dam, because it leaked. Well, it still leaks so the solution is to let more water out and not hold as much in the reservoir. There is no way to launch a big boat like the one Grandpa gave to us. Only little canoes and smaller boats that can be carried into the water work there now. We sold the little boat. (The island is not much of an island anymore. You can walk to it.) Put your thinking cap on and let me know.
Love, Mom

Melanie wrote: We were planning on taking them fishing in New Hampshire in August, because they asked us to. I know they like the camping. Scouts has done wonders to help build up tolerance. Tell Dad that I am sending him the reimbursement for the chaperone. It should be there in a few days. I will send it as a gift check, which I will have paid cash for, but you can deposit it or use it like a traveler's check.

Thank you for all the time. He had a good time. He was so excited that he didn't want to go to sleep last night. I made him go to bed because we aren't on Utah time. He is so funny. He thinks he has to keep up with Siovhan. I am glad to have him home!

Love, Melanie

Todd wrote: I think you really meant to send this to Melanie. <grin>

Have you received this yet?‏

Comments: Happy Anniversary! This is the dessert we enjoyed in Denmark.  Love, Mom and Dad T.

Larsen's Danish Bakery <sales@larsensbakery.com,martin@prestigeoutlet.com> 

Todd wrote: What is it?

It is called wienerbrød (Danish pronunciation: [ˈʋiːˀnɔˌbʁœːˀð], lit. "Viennese bread", corresponding to the French Viennoiserie) in Denmark, Finland, Iceland, the Faroe Islands, Norway and Sweden. 

This Danish pastry, sometimes abbreviated Danish especially in the United States, is a viennoiserie pastry, of Viennese origin, which has become a specialty of Denmark and neighboring Scandinavian countries. Certain other countries, like the United States, commonly consume Danish pastries.

These Danishes are made of laminated yeast-leavened doughs, creating a layered texture similar to a puff pastry. Inside is almond paste. It was Dad's favorite as a missionary in Denmark and I loved it also when we visited. Dad said the missionaries called it an "ulcer builder."

Watch for It

Your Books Are Fun order has been shipped. The following items were included in this shipment:

Smart Learning Center
Ship Date:  7/25/2005

M is for Mayflower: A Massachusetts Alphabet
Ship Date:  7/25/2005

Kirsten wrote: Got it last night.  Thanks!  Emma loves it (them)!

 

--Kirsten

Pray

AnnMarie is having some bleeding. She is not due for another month and we are praying that all will go well. She is not to push anything heavy or lift anything. They are not sure if it is a weak placenta, her uterine scar or what. Those who have had several C-sections are at higher risk for premature births. They want her to stay the course, so she needs your prayers. Love, Mom

Todd Trauntvein wrote:
Thank you.

Kimberly Trauntvein wrote:
Ok, thanks for the info. She'll continue to be in our prayers.

PAF

Hey mom,

Do you have a PAF I can merge with? I've entered as much info as I know, but realized I don't know that much (shhhh, don't tell that to the women who came to Enrichment last night). Can I go through the church web site to get all the info (I believe they don't give out the info on the living, right?)

Thanks for your help.

Love, Kirsten

Myrna wrote: They do not give out the info on the living unless you are part of the family. In order to get it you need to get your member number from the bishop and then you just type that in, when it asks for it, and you can get our information. Melanie told me that she just went to the history site and typed in my name and got everything I had submitted. You might ask her how she did that. Love, Mom

Thank you so much!‏

Dear Myrna,
You made my Cassie so very happy! Thanks for sending her story back to her!
She just squealed with delight when she saw the emails!
You are a sweetie!
*big hugs*
Love, Kim